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Feb 5Liked by dpl

Seems to me that the lesson to be taken from this space is that you have to separate the personality from the information. At the end of the day the personality can let you down while the truth never will.

Humans love putting people who bring them the truth on pedastals. TPTB are aware of this and exploit this. If you don't want to find yourself on the wrong side of history or be led down the garden path, you have to educate yourself and don't stop at the first truth you uncover.

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Maybe I didn't understand the problem with Mike Stone. Here he clearly calls cell cultures fraud:

https://viroliegy.com/2021/09/05/the-case-against-cell-cultures/

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Jup, he does have some good info. But he does not touch the work of Eleni. All he talks about is David Crowe, the man who was claimed by Eleni herself to have destroyed the AIDS dissident movement (https://www.tig.org.za/RA.htm).

He was confronted about this several times and the best he can come up with was "that's how Eleni perceived it" and that Eleni was mistaken.

Mike goes the extra Mile to defend David Crowe for some strange reason...

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I see, honestly or embarrassingly I'm not up on that. I may seem like I know more than I really do. I started reading about "conspiracies" for fun in '19 believing all the virus stuff until 2020, eventually I read Fan Wu and got a shiver down my spine, "my God it's all fraud", then started to read voraciously incl HIV A VIRUS LIKE NO OTHER. I hope Mike is just unknowing about this Crowe guy 'cause I'd have trouble pegging him as a gate keeper like Reece, Yeadon, Malone, etc. His writings are tooo long though I have yet to see any mistakes. Keep going my good man!

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I'm just trying to figure out what's going on man. These things infuriates me because I would like for the damn pandemic cycle to break. We are like mice in a cage who has a memory reset with each new generation that comes about. Why should we have time for people who fuck this up for us?

I've really tried my best with Stone and was bitterly disappointed with how he approached this issue. We had a few week long debates with him and, like Anthony explained in the podcast, all Stone could do was to troll us the same way the mutton co trolls have trolled us.

Why he thinks he has to stand as the Crowe successor is beyond me. If I review what Eleni has to say about Crowe I want nothing to do with Crowe.

But there are other things as well that pile onto these worries. Things that break my head. It's why I'm suggesting you jump on telegram, there is a lot of info I can show you which I'm not ready to discuss publicly.

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I see, I'll have to get it slowly. Just to let you know, I have a Clark Kent job and some personal tasks that are putting me in a vice, still fighting "Substack Insomnia". But be sure, I like everything you are onto, Don't give up on meeeee (echo fade)!

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We are alike in many ways PM 😉

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And to add. You know more than most PM. Excellent work you're doing man!

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I'm thinking that now there are apparently many people testing positive to HIV after getting covid shots, it's all the more important to focus on the HIV scam in as much detail as possible. What's the difference between what they're claiming to be false positive HIV test following covid injections and a alleged true positive? How could they tell the difference? And what about the pseudo-HIV "inserts" into "S1 protein"? What on earth were they inserting? I also personally think far more people are awake to virology pseudoscience since covid scam as compared to HIV/AIDS scam. I doubt the cycle will repeat itself next time.

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I don't believe there is such a thing as insertion. The particular claim you refer to was made by the perps as part of their terror campaign to make us think they are more powerful and technologically advanced than they really are. In my opinion we are currently under occupation and have been for decades. The gangsters have been in the process of consolidating their power all these years.

Currently, it seems they are trying to start a civil war by dividing the country on many fronts, Covid-19 being just one of several. Right now the no-virus and lab-created-pathogen camps fighting with each other and both fighting with the official story believers is just what the perps want.

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Correct, but there is no paper finding a biologic object fitting the definition of virus. Fight or not, that is fact. And correct there is no Spike protein to insert anything into in the shots besides your imagination (per CDC FOIA and no mRNA to Spike dose response curve).

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In the US, there is one MAJOR difference between COVID19 and previous pandemics--1.5 million-plus excess deaths. Anyone who looks at the official mortality numbers for the last 50 years, whether they are a 6th grader or a statistician, is going to say, "Wow! WTH happen in 2020?" It is that freaking obvious. https://www.virginiastoner.com/cvax-risk/#Historical

The enemies of humanity were prepared from day one with a gaggle of gatekeepers and myths to distract from the main event, which was democide. That's what no one in the media is talking about, and that's what no one in the public knows about. It isn't about who got sick, or how sick they got, or whether a virus made them sick--it's about covering up a literal mass-killing, starting with a major event in the NYC metro area in Spring 2020 that killed 50k people over 8 weeks, then disappeared. It continued with a series of other lesser death peaks in other states in 2020-2021. They got away with it, big time, and will do it again--why not.

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There was no pandemic. FULL STOP.

There was ALSO no "5G death rays", "bioweapons", "Sasha Laty-poisons", or any other stupid comic book nonsense which supposedly caused this "democide" as you say. If any of those fake things were actually the case, then why were only OLDER people affected?

"COVID" was 100% theatre. It's all an act.

However, there WAS a spike in deaths in New York City specifically because a bunch SCARED elderly people got murdered with ventilators and toxic drug cocktails. (This also happened in mass in nursing homes as well). Remember Governor Andrew Cuomo's infamous ventilator freak out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbSt8C7RnJM

You are pushing another false narrative which promotes more fear and confusion. It's theatre, and nothing more. Additionally, New York also has some weird "statistics" to explain... New York State Population by year:

2018: 19,554,098

2019: 19,463,131

2020: 20,104,710

2021: 19,854,526

2022: 19,673,200

2023: 19,571,216

Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/states/new-york/population

Wow, so in 2020 New York somehow added 641,579 people! Where did they all come from? Weren't we in the middle of a pandemic that year? Seems like a strange time to move right? Hmmmm....

And in 2021.... 250,184 people moved OUT? Hmmmmm.....

The opioid crisis can't be left out of this either. 92,000 people OD'd in 2020, up 21K from 2019, up 50k from 2010 nationally. (I also wonder how many people OD'd in 2020 "with Covid" on their death certificates....)

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_drug_overdose_death_rates_and_totals_over_time

Ms Stoner, I read your website and it doesn't make sense. You made those graphs right? (Or did you get them from somewhere else?) Whatever.

Here's some direct links for anyone who wants to see the actual death rates in New York State for ALL AGE GROUPS. As you say...a "6th grader" can understand this....

https://health.ny.gov/statistics/vital_statistics/2016/table32a.htm

https://health.ny.gov/statistics/vital_statistics/2017/table32a.htm

https://health.ny.gov/statistics/vital_statistics/2018/table32a.htm

https://health.ny.gov/statistics/vital_statistics/2019/table32a.htm

https://health.ny.gov/statistics/vital_statistics/2020/table32a.htm

https://health.ny.gov/statistics/vital_statistics/2021/table32a.htm

(No data yet for 2022 or 2023)

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The NY data you provided is that same as is contained in the CDC WONDER database, which I've documented in some detail here. https://www.virginiastoner.com/writing/category/NYC+mass+casualty+event If you are trying to convince people there was no US democide in 2020 you are not succeeding.

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I poked around your website, looks very interesting. How successful do you feel the cover-up is going? From my perspective, it has gone very well. Pretty much no one cares to think about covid critically anymore.

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I agree, the coverup has been very successful. Pretty much no one knows about, or is talking about, the US democide. They are talking about what made people "sick" -- no one ever talks about what made so many people die.

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Do you see light at the end of this tunnel?

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One more thing--it has occurred to me that this issue could be used to crush the "no virus" movement down the road. Excess deaths in 2020 are being covered up now, but if the "no-virus" movement gets too big, there could be a huge publicity campaign about how many people died in 2020--attributing it of course to "the virus"--which will be easy to do if there is no one in the "no-virus" movement who has previously explained the excess deaths or even acknowledged them. Another reason I think it's imperative to take control of this information.

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It's more complicated re the virus issue, since you have to look more closely to see that the data doesn't fit the virus narrative.

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When it comes to this one issue, making people aware a democide occurred, I can see a light in the distance. There's hope I think, because this is a very simple issue due to how huge the number of deaths was--it has nothing to do with complicated statistics and numbers no one can understand. It's extremely stark.

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You are still refusing to address the FACT that many innocent people died because of ventilators and toxic drug cocktails...especially in NYC.

Why are you still doing that? Seems strange. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm presenting very basic information for others to make their own informed decision. The data I've provided is presented in a very basic and easy to understand format. Your website obfuscates it in my opinion.

A lot of elderly, scared, or unhealthy people who may have had a snot-nose or fatigue or a "dry cough" or whatever else went to the hospital, got tested "positive" by the fraudulent PCR, and then they got murdered by medical protocols. That's real the "demicide" of 2020. Why are you ignoring that?

It's Medical Mass Murder...predicated on a completely imaginary "virus". 100% theatre. Pure and simple. That's the real issue that the medical establishment is desperately trying to hide under the rug.

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I believe Ginny is drilling down on the when and how many people died and is less concerned with the how.

From the few articles of hers that I looked through, she is pointing out that the main obfuscation is coming from shifting the time frame of when the deaths occurred. She calls out David Martin along with some others for doing this. And I believe that he is a top tier scumbag, IMO.

I believe she is on to something here. There is definitely a push to say "this or that was the cause" but I think she makes a good case for the likelihood that we have no idea how they did it because the numbers don't add up.

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You're doing the same thing! "...less concerned with the how"?

Really? Why are you also pretending that thousands upon thousands of people were not killed with ventilators and Remdesivir? Seems pretty weird...

What I'm seeing is a concerted effect to attempt to memory hole what actually happened in NYC in 2020.

Neither of you addressed the drastic spike in opioid deaths either! (And God only knows how many MORE opioid deaths were falsely blamed on an imaginary "virus" instead).

Additionally, what about the 650K people who suddenly appeared in New York in 2020? Neither of you addressed that either.

Who cares! I'm just glad that other people can read this exchange and make their own decision. Censorship is the only thing left preventing the truth from coming out...and it's coming out!

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Your idea that everyone should address every "fact" in every comment or they are some how causing harm is absurd.

Censorship is not the problem. The problem is the flood of "truth" that hides any actual truth and makes this conversation tiresome and impossible. People are not listening and do not care about the truth anymore. They have gone back to sleep. They would rather vote their problems away.

I don't know what your angle is, but I don't trust you.

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You should think about the fact that you have been attacking me for maintaining a page dedicated solely to the objective documentation of US mortality data.

I've written my opinions about a lot of connected things--I've brought up the possibility of toxic treatment protocols, and said it's likely--so you haven't read much of my stuff obviously, and are just looking for something to criticize.

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I'm more interested in documenting the characteristics of the deaths than I am in adding my hypotheses about what happened to the mountain of others. I think some kind of chemical weapon was involved, based on the characteristics of the deaths, but that doesn't mean toxic treatments didn't play a role. I'm the only person I'm aware of who is trying to flesh out the characteristics of the deaths so EVERYONE has some actual evidence to base their theories and hypotheses on--if it fits that is.

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I respectfully disagree. I think it's clear that you're trying to obfuscate the simple fact that many people were killed with ventilators, starvation, isolation, and toxic drug cocktails, all based on an imaginary virus. This is the only real "mountain" that the evidence points to. It's NOT a mystery.

So you've just acknowledged that "toxic treatments play a role". Now we're making some progress. Could you imagine what a jury might decide in a court of law once these "toxic treatments" are presented?

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If you have any evidence from the official mortality data to support your opinions, feel free to post it.

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The official data is not a matter of opinion and the contents of the official database are not debatable. Death records are stored at the county, state and federal level--I've seen no signs of inconsistency there. I've spent hundreds of hours documenting the official data, and it's all fully referenced with sources, so I have no idea what you're objecting to RE my work, if anything.

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Dear Virginia, how does your data fit or not with Rancourt's?

https://www.sott.net/article/436710-Study-of-All-cause-Mortality-During-Covid-19-No-Plague-But-Likely-Mass-Homicide-by-Government-Response

Sorry to ask rather than investigate, appreciate your reply.

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Rancourt and I both use the same data source, so in theory, we should be on the same page. However, that's not really the case, which I wrote about recently here--https://www.virginiastoner.com/writing/2024/1/3/rancourt-and-martin-join-the-no-pandemic-coverup-martin-drops-bombshell-2020-was-a-bumper-year-for-the-life-insurance-industry

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Thanks Virginia, I read your link. I've been suspecting Denis is a minimizer operative, also from his "Southern Hemisphere death study": https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/2023-09-17-Correlation-Covid-vaccine-mortality-Southern-Hemisphere-cor.pdf

Here I made a post on Martin that was widely seen:

https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/the-black-hole-you-can-never-wipe

He is a high ranking FM and nothing he says can be trusted really.

But I wonder, look at the 3rd image in this post, I use it in one of my posts. I understand your concern about the sudden dip that doesn't make sense, and when I look at US mortality by state I see inc deaths slowly in 2020 I assume from the protocols, until the vaxes started in '21 then I see rapid death rate rise.

https://theviraldelusion.substack.com/p/the-great-lie-and-the-data-that-shows

Is there a better graph I should use then Deni's? I want to show the deaths were correlated with the treatment protocols but not minimize. Really sorry for the trouble.

If you are really interested the post I used it in is here:

https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/the-most-entertaining-government

Regards, PM

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You can find US excess death data by month here -- https://www.virginiastoner.com/cvax-risk/#excess-deaths-by-age-group

And by week here, with a chart of states/months when deaths were highest -- https://www.virginiastoner.com/cvax-risk/#deathsbyweek

You can find other death info on that page, just scroll to the top.

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Ah, there is a big spike in April 2020 then crashes a bit, until flu season which then merged with vax #1, and then deaths continued above pre 2020 but lower than the April 2020 spike, I suppose from vaxes and protocols, and they needed a scare to get vax uptake.

So maybe Denis' graph for 2020 isn't so wrong? Though yours are more professionally made.

Thanks for 'scribing and keep in touch!

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NYC event was very much regional, with an epicenter near NY Harbor, and deaths decreasing with distance from the epicenter, based on county numbers.

Not sure yet, but I suspect something similar is going on with the other 2 death waves in 2020 that occurred in some other states--but they were more reserved in the amount of poison used, whatever it was.

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